Wednesday, July 21, 2010

Apology to Steven

There was a comment posted by Steven, on the blog entry dated 13/2/10......

Fatbloke,
You said you were using some of the grape concentrate to top up meads made a year ago. Couldn't this restart fermentation of perhaps change the flavor profile of the meads?
Steve 

So, sorry mate, I didn't see it, and only spotted it today..... my bad!

In response to your question, Yes, it's entirely possible that using a flavouring like a grape concentrate could change the flavour profile. Though if you think about it, it depends entirely on the flavour of the top up liquid. This is an idea from Keith. He originally suggested the use of Chenin Blanc grape concentrate as it has distinct "honey like" qualities. It cost me nearly £70 to learn that he was absolutely spot on (the only way of getting Chenin Blanc easily here, it to get a kit and use the "juice" from that).

Sure it's grape juice/concentrate, but when I took a little taste it was very like tasting watered down honey. Of course, there's a few "pro's and con's" to everything. The pro's, to me, are that you're putting something in that tastes not unsimilar to how you'd expect a mead to taste. Also, if it's concentrate, it will add a little more body/mouth feel. There's also the possibility, that depending on what it is that you're topping up with, that you might also lighten/darken the colour as well.

Ok, so I think that makes sense.

The con/con's ? Well yes, it's possible that it could indeed restart a fermentation. Though if you've finished the fermentation stage and done the usual "sorbate/sulphite" stage as well, that should, pretty much, prevent that from happening. Also, if you've filtered the mead, that can (depending on the filter size/gauge) remove some yeast cells. I personally am happy to filter, but not using a "sterile"/ultra fine element - of the 0.25 micron size. I like to use either 1 or 0.5 micron sized elements - so I try to make sure that I don't forget the sorbate/sulphite stage.

A point in fact, is how much you're actually adding, as to the effect it will have on flavour. If, for example, you're in the habit of racking until you start to get some of the lees through the racking cane/syphon - then the last bit of liquid is poured off, into a tall, thin container, then refrigerate that. You'll find that in a couple of days, you can easily remove more clear, or relatively so, wine/mead. Thereby minimising any racking losses. For each gallon, you're gonna lose what, 1/4 of a pint, probably not even that. So if the flavour of the top up is even vaguely close, it's unlikely to affect the flavour of the wine/mead too much.


You might actually be doing something to deliberately change the flavour, like using brandy or whiskey to top it up, that will change the taste. It's also "fortifying" the wine/mead, so might then need time for the "new" flavour to develop.....
Of course, there's always gonna be exceptions to the rule, and in this case, you might intentionally want to restart fermentation, to produce a sparkling mead. So that being the case, then I'd just have cleared/racked it in the usual way, leaving out the sulphite/sorbate stage and then added the grape juice/concentrate.

I understand that Keith is a great believer, in just making a basic mead, getting the fermentation going and then working out how to add any other flavours you might want.

That might entail things like after primary fermentation has started and you've then moved to secondary (one of the good reasons for using a bucket for secondary ferment) then you want it to have a fruit flavour, so you can either ferment on the pulp and by that I mean add the fruit in a muslin/cheese cloth type bag and then putting it in the secondary ferment. Or just crushing/squashing the fruit and putting it in directly - if it's the sort of fruit that just goes to mush, I try to use a bag, otherwise you can easily end up with it being a complete PITA to rack off the lees/fruit pulp. Or you can extract the fruit juice in some way and add it at the same time.

I like to do that with my steam extractor for all fruit, except the ones that give a "cooked" taste if heat treated (the steam extractor is brilliant for "red" fruits - Apples and kiwi fruit are two examples that you can't used steam on, they both give a pronounced "cooked" flavour if you do).

I also like to hold some of the fruit flavour back, as I've learned and found that if it's added after the ferment has finished, you get more of a fruity taste that doesn't get diminished/reduced by the action of the yeast doing it's ferment thing - it can also help with making the mead ready to drink quicker........sugar/sweetness, can often cover "a multitude of sins"......

Hopefully that gives you a clear enough answer to the point I was trying (badly) to make.......

TTFN!

p.s. and sorry if that answer seems a bit "disjointed" I was trying to make it all clear but kept having other ideas/suggestions - so made extensive using of "cut 'n paste"....

Concord Pyment....backsweeten method.

Making your favorite pyments and melomels just got easier. Just make your mead and backsweeten with properly pasturized or frozen fruits or grapes.

Concord Grape Recipe:

6 gallon carboy

1 gallon Oakiehoma wildflower honey
1 6 oz can of frozen lemonaid juice or 3 juice lemons
1/4 teaspoon of potassium metabisulfite or 4 campden tablets
1 packet 5g Pasteur Champagne yeast or Montrachet or Lavlin 1116
3.5 gallon filtered water 70F/21C - 80F/26C
1 teaspoon yeast nutrient/energizer, (yeast hull/DAP diammonium phosphate)
1 teaspoon acid blend

Prepare yeast starter in 1 litre or 1 quart of water and lemonaid or lemon juice.

Pasturize honey and water by heating to 140F/60C for 5 minutes or 170F/77C for 3 minutes.

Mix all these ingredients EXCEPT YEAST starter, let stand 24 hours, then add yeast starter to 70F/21C must, stir vigorously.

Stir lightly twice daily, after 4 weeks or when fermentation finishes rack into a new sterile carboy and add 1 gallon crushed concord grapes. It should start fermenting again, if not add more yeast; rehydrate yeast for 2 hours, then pitch into must and stir lightly.

After 4 more weeks second fermention, rack into new sterile carboy. Add and stir 1/2 teaspoon of potassium metabisulfite to new carboy before last backsweetening to prohibit additional fermentation. Or 5 campden tablets and stir.

You may add concentrate juices and/or sugar to sweeten to taste. The high gravity/acids make for a pyment that will carry a very sweet taste.

Do not add potassium sobate as it will give concord an off flavor.

I just added 10 gallon crushed concord grapes to 30 gallon of mead. Additions of (3 to 1 water to juice concentrate) concord concentrate will be used to further sweeten after crushed concord grapes second fermention.

It will be a tawny/sweet (port style) pyment you will enjoy serving.

ARISTAEUS

Tuesday, July 20, 2010

Still trying......

Well, I have no idea whether this will work or not, because I thought I'd managed to suss the correct method of posting to the blog from a mobile device.

Ideally, it's working out how it's done so Keith can post to from his mobile/cell/PDA - being in very rural Oklahoma, he's limited by bandwidth/equipment issues and has to operate from a PDA - but it'd be good to work this out as I really believe he has some brilliant info/guidance/advice about home brewing of wines and meads....

Oh well, here goes

Ho ho ho!

Well, it seems that we're part of the way there.......

The "nuclear waste wines" post was from Keith, I hadn't even tried posting via email with images attached, but he's managed it.

I haven't worked out why it says that I've posted it but we both still have a few things to learn how to use blogger for anything above the most basic of functions...

So watch this space....... :-D

Nuclear waste wines...

We could resolve disposal of nuclear waste from nuclear power plants with Fatbloke's wine recipe. Puts some energy in your reactor!

Mobile devices.....

So what have mobile devices got to do with home brewing?

Well, you may or may not be aware that we all have different access to different kit, or levels of service, etc etc.

So I'm trying to set this blog up so that Keith can actually post to it. Being in rural Oklahoma, he is limited by bandwidth and has had to opt for using a PDA/smartphone for his phone and net access. It's proving a complete PITA as I'd like his input as he knows shitloads about home brewing of wines and meads.....

I just, apparently, managed to "register" this device, sent a message, but as yet, absolutely sod all has appeared.....

So here goes for a second time......

Sunday, July 04, 2010

More "treasure".......

Ha ha! The picture is what I'd given up as a bad job.

What is it? It's 14 kilo's of finest Polish buckwheat honey.

It's been a long time coming.

One of the chaps over at Gotmead was kind enough to offer to get some for me as it's proving damn near impossible to obtain any in the UK for anything that might resemble a reasonable price. Marek sorted the order for me and then I had to arrange with Sebastian, a former work colleague, so that Marek could get it sent to Sebastians home in Poland, who in turn would then bring it back with him on return from one of his regular visits to his family. I can't put into words how grateful I am to both of them for their assistance in getting this to me.

I'm still of 2 minds as to what I'll actually turn it into. Though I'm thinking along the lines of a gallon batch of a straight traditional mead, plus a batch of one of the "easier" Polish style meads.

Called "Czwórniak", it's basically 1 part honey to 3 parts water. With that ratio or honey/water, I'd guess that it would still work out as quite a high gravity, so I'll have to measure it out and then see how it's likely to measure up. There'd be no point in mixing it up and then hoping that it will work out Ok. It could easily end up killing the yeast if it's too high a gravity.


At this point, I'm not even sure how it'll work out. I've had a read around about meads like this and there's both EU and Polish Government regulations on how it should be made, so I'd like to stick to the rules if possible, but I might have to divert some to get it to work - I'll see and post back on the subject........

Sunday, June 27, 2010

A nice comment........

If you want to check it out, you'll see that Keith has left a nice comment at the last post where I announced him as an author.

His post is correct. It's really all about improving the quality of the brews we make.

Sure, it's entirely feasible that we might get to a point where any further improvement isn't possible without adopting commercial techniques, but it sure as hell shouldn't stop us looking should it.........

Oh and I'm sending this via email to prove that it's still working Ok and I only couldn't send the message from the normal account as it's getting messed about by the provider, though it seems to be to do with it having the address harvested/spoofed........ so watch this space.......

Thursday, June 10, 2010

A new author.........

I started this blog as a record of my home brewing efforts.

It happens, that through my mead making efforts, I've got to know Keith Hardesty. Initially I met up with Keith through a wine making forum.

Since then, it's been a case of a weekly conference call/video conference. It depends on what's available as I'm on the south coast (UK) and Keith is in very rural Oklahoma.

He's a good bloke and he has some brilliant ideas of ways to make meads of various types, so after we chatted about "spreading the message" we decided that as a convenient outlet, he should also post here and make it a bit more international and open.

I'll be more than pleased if he posts some of his methods, techniques and enthusiasm here as it'd save me trying to post them ;-)

Others in the mead world may have already heard of Keith as it seems that he's been around the online meadmaking world for some time.....

Brilliant! Go on Keith, get "scribbling".......

Sunday, June 06, 2010

A little bit critical ???

WTF?

Been trying to get my head round the linked thread above for a couple of days.

Now for reasons I don't quite get, I'm failing dismally, in managing to get any entusiasm (or full understanding) for this. After all, it's a commercial technique, and commercial techniques are pretty much, about maximising the £$€£$€£$€!

{edit}I've decided to delete the rest of this entry, as it'd be rather dis-ingenuous of me to post it here.

After all, I couldn't tell the difference between Malolactic fermentation and a bubbly fart!{/edit}

Hey ho!